envoy for global education. and he joins me now. welcome to you, gordon. >> good evening. >> this is a really disturbing report. 215 million children globally are believed to be at work, of which 15 of the 61 million who don't go to school, are child laborers. you, amid your horror, have come up with some possible solutions. tell me what you think we should be doing about this. >> i think we should ban child labor for young children. and i think we should get these children to school. and what we are exposing this week is something quite intolerable that we have young children in india, who have been discovered making christmas decorations, christmas presents, christmas gifts, that have been incarcerated in dark rooms without any sunlight, without any fresh air, not being fed properly. laceraing cuts because they've been working with glass. i don't think there's a parent in america or around the world, who would want to be buying christmas presents who are made in the exploitation of children who are 8 and 9. we have to have the law